Holy shit, could this be it????

[grishnakh]

The Cave will get the full run down, due to uncensored unfettered running of your website. Nice. 

Ok get this: 

www.stuff.co.nz/science/99802945/visitor-from-beyond-our-solar-system-looks-eerily-like-an-alien-spaceship

Our solar system has a visitor. It's cylindrical, dark and reddish, 400m long.

The object's trajectory is so strange and its speeds are so blistering that it probably did not originate from within our solar system.

Its discoverers concluded that the object is a rare interstellar traveller from beyond our solar system, the first object of its kind observed by humans. 

In October, they named the asteroid 'Oumuamua - Hawaiian for "messenger".

'Oumuamua, which appears rocky or metallic, lacks the characteristics of a comet.

Some scientists, though they are swift to say 'Oumuamua is probably natural, have not yet ruled out more extraordinary origins.

"The possibility that this object is, in fact, an artificial object - that it is a spaceship, essentially - is a remote possibility," Andrew Siemion, director of the Berkeley Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Research Centre, told The Washington Post on Tuesday

This week, researchers with the Breakthrough Listen initiative announced that a radio telescope will probe 'Oumuamua for signs of technology.

The telescope, nestled within the hills of the Green Bank Observatory in West Virginia, begins its search on Wednesday.

So perhaps we will get an update tomorrow, or perhaps not? What would they do if they realised it was in fact artificial? That would create worldwide fucking hysteria 

[Mad Scientist]

Dec 12, 2017 19:55:48 GMT grishnakh said:

The Cave will get the full run down, due to uncensored unfettered running of your website. Nice. 

Ok get this: 

www.stuff.co.nz/science/99802945/visitor-from-beyond-our-solar-system-looks-eerily-like-an-alien-spaceship

Our solar system has a visitor. It's cylindrical, dark and reddish, 400m long.

The object's trajectory is so strange and its speeds are so blistering that it probably did not originate from within our solar system.

Its discoverers concluded that the object is a rare interstellar traveller from beyond our solar system, the first object of its kind observed by humans. 

In October, they named the asteroid 'Oumuamua - Hawaiian for "messenger".

'Oumuamua, which appears rocky or metallic, lacks the characteristics of a comet.

Some scientists, though they are swift to say 'Oumuamua is probably natural, have not yet ruled out more extraordinary origins.

"The possibility that this object is, in fact, an artificial object - that it is a spaceship, essentially - is a remote possibility," Andrew Siemion, director of the Berkeley Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Research Centre, told The Washington Post on Tuesday

This week, researchers with the Breakthrough Listen initiative announced that a radio telescope will probe 'Oumuamua for signs of technology.

The telescope, nestled within the hills of the Green Bank Observatory in West Virginia, begins its search on Wednesday.

So perhaps we will get an update tomorrow, or perhaps not? What would they do if they realised it was in fact artificial? That would create worldwide fucking hysteria 

Well Grish it is, check this, you didn't think I'd miss this eh...

cavetalk.net/thread/155/comet-2017-u1-oumuamua

What did you mean with opening sentences?

[grishnakh]

haha soz bro I came back on yesterday from weeks off been goddam busy with work and yea should have done a run thru first to check it wasn't covered already. my bad.

my opening sentences are a nod to your brilliant website and the fact it now makes Dtv 3.0 pale in comparison... everyone to the cave!!!!! 

[Mad Scientist]

Dec 13, 2017 19:40:59 GMT grishnakh said:

haha soz bro I came back on yesterday from weeks off been goddam busy with work and yea should have done a run thru first to check it wasn't covered already. my bad.

my opening sentences are a nod to your brilliant website and the fact it now makes Dtv 3.0 pale in comparison... everyone to the cave!!!!! 

Don't worry, I don't see the subject on the topic to be similar anyway, I am all about the filter, your Topic basically covers the entire discussion about it, it's complimentary stuff as I see it.

Lol, I would not mind some more posters up here at all...

I was confused by the website remark, cause the website is the other thing (well for me, in order to divide the two) I'd call this the Forum, although I was sure you meant the Forum (Rob does that as well, I guess it's a down there thingy, lol), well you understand. I am glad you like the place Grish, lot of work went into it, I mean, digging out all that stone with a chicken bone and a copper shizzle, well...

Good to see your back from the business, funny season has started, so njoy Bro...

[Mad Scientist]

Funny how they are squirming about this object. I mean a probe 80/800 (m)? Yr, nitwits. In any case, they prob built it up and then say it's a rock. Well, they can't keep hiding this shit forever now.

My last entry (link to topic below) will support the whole broken ship theory a little, well if you accept that Titan is in fact an ops base.

Post

DH prob knows more about this, if this object is indeed damaged, it could very well be part of that 2.5 year war in heaven. In any case, something sinister seems to be going on...

Anyway..,

Strange tumbling motion of cigar-shaped interstellar 'comet' Oumuamua suggests it’s an alien probe with BROKEN engines, says leading astronomer.

Today, scientists led by Stephen Hawking are using high-tech scanners to discover if a huge, cigar-shaped 'comet' is in fact, an alien probe.

Now, one astronomer claims that the space rock, named Oumuamua, could be an alien spacecraft with broken engines that is tumbling through our solar system.

Dr Jason Wright from Penn State University suggests that a broken alien spacecraft move in exactly the same way as the interstellar comet.

Writing in his blog, Dr Wright, an associate professor of astronomy and astrophysics at Penn State University, says: 'Such derelict craft would, if they are not travelling so fast that they escape the Galaxy, eventually 'thermalize' with the stars and end up drifting around like any other interstellar comet or asteroid.

'In fact, since they (presumably) no longer have attitude control, one would expect that they would eventually begin to tumble, and if they are very rigid that tumbling might distinguish them from ordinary interstellar asteroids… and in fact, just because their propulsion is broken doesn't mean that their radio transmitters would be broken.'

Dr Wright suggests that the object could be a 'Von Neumann probe' - a theoretical self-replicating spacecraft that visits star systems.

He added: 'Such a discovery would imply that there are lots of these things in the solar system at any given moment (even if they are deliberately targeting the sun, they are hard to spot and we'll miss most of them), and so lots of opportunities to study them.'

Dr Wright previously suggested the mysterious dimming of star KIC 8462852 – also known as Tabby’s Star – could be caused by an alien megastructure called a Dyson Sphere.

His latest comments come ahead of a project later today in which scientists will use high-tech scanners to discover if Oumuamua was sent by an alien civilization.



The team of scientists, called Breakthrough Listen, will use the world's largest directable radio telescope, at Green Bank in West Virginia, to follow it for ten hours today at 3pm ET (8pm GMT).

They are listening for electromagnetic signals, no stronger than those emitted by a mobile phone, that cannot be produced by natural celestial bodies.

If they find them, it would be proof that extraterrestrial forces really could be at play.

For the moment, they are trying to contain their excitement. But the name they have given this bizarre object betrays their optimism.

Oumuamua is a Hawaiian term meaning 'a messenger from afar arriving first'.

Most intriguingly, it is the wrong shape for an asteroid — they are typically round.

Professor Hawking and his colleagues at Breakthrough Listen report: 'Researchers working on long-distance space transportation have previously suggested that a cigar or needle shape is the most likely architecture for an interstellar spacecraft, since this would minimize friction and damage from interstellar gas and dust.'

Another oddity is that Oumuamua is flying very 'cleanly', without emitting the usual cloud of space dust that astronomers observe around asteroids.

Experts say this suggests it is made of something dense: probably rock, but possibly metal.

It was first detected on October 19 by a long-running research programme called Pan-STARRS, which uses powerful telescopes to photograph and monitor the night sky at the University of Hawaii.

Its amazing speed has led some experts to conclude it is the first such object to have come towards us from outside our solar system.

Analysts also say its faintly red colour indicates it has been subjected to interstellar cosmic radiation which is harsher than we experience in our solar system.

The fact that it doesn't seem to have engines or show signs of propulsion may wreck the interplanetary-spacecraft theory.

If a radio signal does come back from the object, Professor Avi Loeb, Professor of Astronomy at Harvard University, suggests that we will need to proceed with caution.

Speaking to MailOnline, he said: 'My recommendation, as in any dialogue, is that we first listen and do our best to understand what we are hearing.

'Once we figure this out, we can decide how to respond.

'Overall, I am an optimist. I believe that a very intelligent civilisation will be peaceful, and we could save ourselves millions or billions of years by learning from it.

'But there is also the possibility that such a civilisation will have hostile intentions and risk our existence, so we should deliberate carefully in any future contact with them.'

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[DarkHeart]

My first thought on reading about this "object" is that it is a craft, but it's from earth, on an auto return path that would put it near enough for return if things went OK, but far enough away should things not work out as planned so it would pass by.

I think it could be from a previous high civ like Lemuria or Atlantis.

No idea why I should have such thoughts other than whats amassed in my head over the years (lol), and that it does look like it is of "human" design, something about the shape & proportions.

[MrZorg]

I'm going to go out on a limb here. Sometimes a rock is just a rock. Just because most asteroids and comets are rounded, does not mean something has to have that shape. This thing came from outside our solar system, in a very odd fashion and angle. It could be just a rock hurdled into space by a couple of planets that collided. The speed of the object would also agree with that conclusion.

As for the scientist saying we should be careful in our contact, should it turn out to be an actual spacecraft from some other species is almost comical. If this thing has radios, we've ALREADY made contact with it via TV/Radios/Cell phone signals/etc... that list can be very large considering how much information we "leak" into the solar system and beyond, all at the speed of light LOL.

I hope I'm wrong, but since I didn't see any windows, lights etc... was that a real image? I doubt it. If it had radio, blaring out some message, I doubt they would tell us anything. But instead just say "well, it turns out it's just a rock, sorry for getting your hopes up".

[Mad Scientist]

Jul 14, 2018 22:17:29 GMT MrZorg said:

I'm going to go out on a limb here. Sometimes a rock is just a rock. Just because most asteroids and comets are rounded, does not mean something has to have that shape. This thing came from outside our solar system, in a very odd fashion and angle. It could be just a rock hurdled into space by a couple of planets that collided. The speed of the object would also agree with that conclusion.

As for the scientist saying we should be careful in our contact, should it turn out to be an actual spacecraft from some other species is almost comical. If this thing has radios, we've ALREADY made contact with it via TV/Radios/Cell phone signals/etc... that list can be very large considering how much information we "leak" into the solar system and beyond, all at the speed of light LOL.

I hope I'm wrong, but since I didn't see any windows, lights etc... was that a real image? I doubt it. If it had radio, blaring out some message, I doubt they would tell us anything. But instead just say "well, it turns out it's just a rock, sorry for getting your hopes up".

Have you read this last week? It is by all means a mysterious object...

***Update***

Note: I find it very hard to believe an increase well over 50%(44.000 Km/h) of the initial entry speed is to blame by dust, the thing travels at 114.000 km/h as per 01 June 2018, iso the original 70.000 km/h, well... Something NASA (convenience) left out and the ESO did not! (ESO Article)

Our Solar System’s "First" Known Interstellar Object Gets Unexpected Speed Boost


Using observations from NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope and ground-based observatories, an international team of scientists have confirmed ′Oumuamua (oh-MOO-ah-MOO-ah), the first known interstellar object to travel through our solar system, got an unexpected boost in speed and shift in trajectory as it passed through the inner solar system last year.

“Our high-precision measurements of ′Oumuamua’s position revealed that there was something affecting its motion other than the gravitational forces of the Sun and planets," said Marco Micheli of ESA’s (European Space Agency) Space Situational Awareness Near-Earth Object Coordination Centre in Frascati, Italy, and lead author of a paper describing the team's findings.

Analyzing the trajectory of the interstellar visitor, co-author Davide Farnocchia of the Center for Near Earth Object Studies (CNEOS) at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) found that the speed boost was consistent with the behavior of a comet.

“This additional subtle force on ′Oumuamua likely is caused by jets of gaseous material expelled from its surface,” said Farnocchia. “This same kind of outgassing affects the motion of many comets in our solar system.”

Comets normally eject large amounts of dust and gas when warmed by the Sun. But according to team scientist Olivier Hainaut of the European Southern Observatory, “there were no visible signs of outgassing from ′Oumuamua, so these forces were not expected.”

The team estimates that ′Oumuamua’s outgassing may have produced a very small amount of dust particles – enough to give the object a little kick in speed, but not enough to be detected.

Karen Meech, an astronomer at the University of Hawaii’s Institute of Astronomy and co-author of the study, speculated that small dust grains, present on the surface of most comets, eroded away during ′Oumuamua's long journey through interstellar space.

"The more we study ′Oumuamua, the more exciting it gets," Meech said. "I'm amazed at how much we have learned from a short, intense observing campaign. I can hardly wait for the next interstellar object!"

′Oumuamua, less than half a mile in length, now is farther away from our Sun than Jupiter and traveling away from the Sun at about 70,000 mph as it heads toward the outskirts of the solar system. In only another four years, it will pass Neptune’s orbit on its way back into interstellar space.

Because ′Oumuamua is the first interstellar object ever observed in our solar system, researchers caution that it’s difficult to draw general conclusions about this newly-discovered class of celestial bodies. However, observations point to the possibility that other star systems regularly eject small comet-like objects and there should be more of them drifting among the stars. Future ground- and space-based surveys could detect more of these interstellar vagabonds, providing a larger sample for scientists to analyze.

Original Article

[MrZorg]

So it had some dust on it, frozen most likely, that they didn't expect. Would explain a lot if it did indeed get more speed than expected. Or, it could just be a lot heavier than they thought, and gained more speed because of the weight they didn't account for?? 

Already out by Jupiter. I know there's a lot of dust in the Ort cloud, which it had to come through, and that would explain where it could have picked up more dust on the way in, and will likely pick some up on the way out. 

Just trying to use my brain here to add to this in some meaningful way. :-)

[Mad Scientist]

Jul 15, 2018 1:27:58 GMT MrZorg said:

So it had some dust on it, frozen most likely, that they didn't expect. Would explain a lot if it did indeed get more speed than expected. Or, it could just be a lot heavier than they thought, and gained more speed because of the weight they didn't account for?? 

Already out by Jupiter. I know there's a lot of dust in the Ort cloud, which it had to come through, and that would explain where it could have picked up more dust on the way in, and will likely pick some up on the way out. 

Just trying to use my brain here to add to this in some meaningful way. :-)

Shame we couldn't leave something on it though.

As far as the object itself goes, I find it very strange they didn't really detect anything causing it and the fact that it had that exponantial increase in speed, although I wouldn't know if this would happen with other comets. The other thing that excited me was the way it entered, I had a chat about it previous to Oumuamua entering and described the way objects getting into the Sol system through the sun and leaving at the back, whole reason why I do not believe in the entire Planet X thing, keeping in mind we and others travel around the Galactic Sun and have been doing this for quite some time, it should have happened before if it were out there.