What Massive Ancient Machines could do this?

[brillbilly]

Wow! .....Try doing these with soft copper tools???

We've all seen the core blocks that have been cored out using some type of drill, but can you imagine the size of the machine to do this ?

[grishnakh]

They reckon it was a quarry abandoned around 400BC when the city was captured by Hannibal. 

"Cave di Cusa was the source of stone used to build the town of Selinunte's sacred temple. Selinunte was a Greek temple that was located 13 km southwest from the quarry. That area of Sicily was inhabited mainly be the ancient Greeks. The stone found at Cave di Cusa site was very suitable for building and therefore a material of choice. Its texture and tufa resistant limestone material made it ideal and perfect for the construction of the sacred Greek temple. This quarry was mined for many years, 150 to be exact. There is evidence to believe that at one time, 150 people worked there. Many of them were slave labourers." 

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_di_Cusa

now if this is true, and I would imagine there is a fairly good chance that it is based on the excellent records kept from around these times, then I would say for starters that iron was well in use as a tool by 400BC and limestone is a very soft rock made up of little bones as it were, and very easy to cut. 

Then I would point to the conical shape of the cuts, quite visible from these angles 





Then if you look at the lines that would be the cut marks from a 'hole saw like' tool, the cut angle is far too steep, it looks close to 20 degrees. If that were in fact a cut witness mark, the tool would have sliced through that 3-4 metre solid block in like 5 turns. I know I said the limestone was soft, but that would take an impressive amount of both downward pressure and rotational force. Nothing we have today would even come close to being capable of doing that. 

If you scope out this concrete drilling core close up, you will see the witness marks run literally 0 degrees because the tool cuts slow and steady. Plenty of water or cooling fluids must be used because excessive heat is produced. 



Don't get me wrong bro, I think there are unexplained tool marks on several megaliths and quarries, I have seen better examples thats all. 

[DarkHeart]

I also had to wonder at the screw like traces, could they have used oxen doing a huge radius with something that had a 'bit' that moved in some manner within the circular movement, ie a double action to account for the huge amount of material removed ?

The slightly conical nature of columns is usually explained as being to exaggerate perspective (to make them look taller than they really were), but maybe its a feature of whatever machine they used, and the artisans would factor this is in to make each successive one a bit smaller so they stacked OK ?

[grishnakh]

hmmm I dunno the tool marks are visible up close apparently bro, I can't find a close up of them any where though... 

I did find several pictures of men chipping away at the pillars with tools that were drawn god knows when haha 

so hypothetically if some special tool existed like you proposed, you think it was just used here or elsewhere too? and then it just got forgotten about and all trace of its existence erased? 

like I said, this sites too new, nothing to see here imo 

[DarkHeart]

Back in the not too recent past knowledge of how to do anything "technical" was often a guarded secret, you had to be in a Guild & of the right family & patronage etc etc, for that reason alone knowledge is easily lost, and strange tools that no one else understands just get left to rust & rot.

The "machine" could even have been something like a giant compass that had a slot for a chisel & "all" that was required was a sht load of elbow grease.

[Mad Scientist]

Jul 15, 2017 0:52:26 GMT grishnakh said:

They reckon it was a quarry abandoned around 400BC when the city was captured by Hannibal. 

"Cave di Cusa was the source of stone used to build the town of Selinunte's sacred temple. Selinunte was a Greek temple that was located 13 km southwest from the quarry. That area of Sicily was inhabited mainly be the ancient Greeks. The stone found at Cave di Cusa site was very suitable for building and therefore a material of choice. Its texture and tufa resistant limestone material made it ideal and perfect for the construction of the sacred Greek temple. This quarry was mined for many years, 150 to be exact. There is evidence to believe that at one time, 150 people worked there. Many of them were slave labourers." 

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_di_Cusa

now if this is true, and I would imagine there is a fairly good chance that it is based on the excellent records kept from around these times, then I would say for starters that iron was well in use as a tool by 400BC and limestone is a very soft rock made up of little bones as it were, and very easy to cut. 

Then I would point to the conical shape of the cuts, quite visible from these angles 





Then if you look at the lines that would be the cut marks from a 'hole saw like' tool, the cut angle is far too steep, it looks close to 20 degrees. If that were in fact a cut witness mark, the tool would have sliced through that 3-4 metre solid block in like 5 turns. I know I said the limestone was soft, but that would take an impressive amount of both downward pressure and rotational force. Nothing we have today would even come close to being capable of doing that. 

If you scope out this concrete drilling core close up, you will see the witness marks run literally 0 degrees because the tool cuts slow and steady. Plenty of water or cooling fluids must be used because excessive heat is produced. 



Don't get me wrong bro, I think there are unexplained tool marks on several megaliths and quarries, I have seen better examples thats all. 

Watch this vid. Melting should be sound really, it'll make more sense.



There's another way one can determine if built by for instance Romans or Pre Flood Civ. Many of the pillars are built in compartments, they would be "new" because their technology couldn't cut an entire pillar from stone at once. These pillars however show tool marks.

[grishnakh]

Jul 24, 2017 19:40:30 GMT DarkHeart said:

Back in the not too recent past knowledge of how to do anything "technical" was often a guarded secret, you had to be in a Guild & of the right family & patronage etc etc, for that reason alone knowledge is easily lost, and strange tools that no one else understands just get left to rust & rot.

The "machine" could even have been something like a giant compass that had a slot for a chisel & "all" that was required was a sht load of elbow grease.

maybe, but remember Da Vinci drew working helicopters and they thought he was mad haha 

How would you explain the conical shape in relation to the tools operation? Does it expand or stretch the length of the cutting arm as it winds downward and why? 

[grishnakh]

Jul 25, 2017 11:29:14 GMT Mad Scientist said:

Jul 15, 2017 0:52:26 GMT grishnakh said:

They reckon it was a quarry abandoned around 400BC when the city was captured by Hannibal. 

"Cave di Cusa was the source of stone used to build the town of Selinunte's sacred temple. Selinunte was a Greek temple that was located 13 km southwest from the quarry. That area of Sicily was inhabited mainly be the ancient Greeks. The stone found at Cave di Cusa site was very suitable for building and therefore a material of choice. Its texture and tufa resistant limestone material made it ideal and perfect for the construction of the sacred Greek temple. This quarry was mined for many years, 150 to be exact. There is evidence to believe that at one time, 150 people worked there. Many of them were slave labourers." 

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_di_Cusa

now if this is true, and I would imagine there is a fairly good chance that it is based on the excellent records kept from around these times, then I would say for starters that iron was well in use as a tool by 400BC and limestone is a very soft rock made up of little bones as it were, and very easy to cut. 

Then I would point to the conical shape of the cuts, quite visible from these angles 





Then if you look at the lines that would be the cut marks from a 'hole saw like' tool, the cut angle is far too steep, it looks close to 20 degrees. If that were in fact a cut witness mark, the tool would have sliced through that 3-4 metre solid block in like 5 turns. I know I said the limestone was soft, but that would take an impressive amount of both downward pressure and rotational force. Nothing we have today would even come close to being capable of doing that. 

If you scope out this concrete drilling core close up, you will see the witness marks run literally 0 degrees because the tool cuts slow and steady. Plenty of water or cooling fluids must be used because excessive heat is produced. 



Don't get me wrong bro, I think there are unexplained tool marks on several megaliths and quarries, I have seen better examples thats all. 

Watch this vid. Melting should be sound really, it'll make more sense.



There's another way one can determine if built by for instance Romans or Pre Flood Civ. Many of the pillars are built in compartments, they would be "new" because their technology couldn't cut an entire pillar from stone at once. These pillars however show tool marks.

yea I seen that vid a while back when I was looking into the cut marks etc in Egypt. This video was a bit misleading in the title though, more vibration isn't it 

I'm not sure what your saying about the pillars, you agree they are 400bc greek? 

[Mad Scientist]

Jul 25, 2017 12:11:09 GMT grishnakh said:

Jul 25, 2017 11:29:14 GMT Mad Scientist said:

Watch this vid. Melting should be sound really, it'll make more sense.



There's another way one can determine if built by for instance Romans or Pre Flood Civ. Many of the pillars are built in compartments, they would be "new" because their technology couldn't cut an entire pillar from stone at once. These pillars however show tool marks.

yea I seen that vid a while back when I was looking into the cut marks etc in Egypt. This video was a bit misleading in the title though, more vibration isn't it 

I'm not sure what your saying about the pillars, you agree they are 400bc greek? 

The Guy doesn't speak any English, tried communicating with him, but he throws everything into the translator, very difficult.

There's no way the Greeks had machines that could do that, or leave those marks, although they had the knowledge of the principle of the steam engine. This is one of those anomalies which has both qualifications, must for now side with the tool marks which makes it pre-flood (>10800BC).

The illustration below is what I mean with compartments, but I am sure you get that already, mem serves you do stuff in building.



Some would argue that the World did not have the tech to built the pillars below (St. Petersburg est. 1703), they'd be made out of one piece of Granite. In theory these could have been recovered from the site, together with some of the buildings, but I cannot be sure about it though. Although, it illustrates what I mean with the difference in tech.

[brillbilly]

If nothing else it gets us talking!